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Re: Clean URL's

Will Rossiter — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:05:05 +1300

2.4 At the earliest.

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Re: Clean URL's

Liam — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:37:32 +1300

That's fine with me. I'd prefer it to be on by default, but it's really not that hard to do it, so it really isn't a big deal.

Will it be making it into stable core 2.3 or 2.4?

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Re: Clean URL's

Will Rossiter — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:46:45 +1300

I believe how it is going to be implemented when the nested url feature gets moved into the core release ( currently being worked on in the separate branch) is that it is going to be disabled by default. Eg keep the current system. If you want to use the longer urls then you can turn it on / off in the config file. Thats how I think its going to work anyway

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Re: Clean URL's

Lars Prakken — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:11:42 +1300

I don't think it has to be zero sum solution ; having automatic nested URL's doesn't mean we'd have to drop the flexibility of picking your own URL.

I still like Sam's idea of just having SS build a nested URL's for you , with the option of changing it , if needed.

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Re: Clean URL's

Evren COMERT — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:16:12 +1300

I belive that SS must keep going like this way. Current system is perfect.

Maybe makes some people angry but just my opinions :)
Let me tell why.

Current rendering of URL is meaningful for visitors and also has the benefits of SEO.
And my opinion is this is much more better cos with this way you are completely free do assign any word for any page. [b]And also allows to give easier URL's to people.[/b]

The [b]MOST IMPORTANT PART[/b] IS to change and move the pages freely inside the site tree without changing their address!!! I have more than 150 pages and I know the need for moving page but also I know the addressing and search engine trouble after that.
Thanks to SS. I love the new way.

Another example, I have a file manager module with iframe [b]in 3.rd menu level in my site.[/b] Dosent need and also musnt be on homepage.
But I can give people an URL like this www.mysite.com/file
Isn't that nice?

Or create acommunity area under a sub category give people around pages or galleries, but still be able to [b]give people URL's with their usernames etc.[/b]
www.mysite.com/dennis

Or a logon screen for SS itself or ext application. Do you want to be forced to put logon page to the main page. Or a top level menu category to be able to use an URL like www.mysite.com/login

[b]Or think commercial. Advertisements, promotions...[/b]
www.mysite.com/win-a-bmw
www.mysite.com/2009offer
www.mysite.com/promotions
I'l not prefer www.mysite.com/products/new_summer/promotons :)

But I also think over hierarcial URL's. what does it offer more than this?
Not SEO, please no :)
Not customer pleasure, who cares. Think that they care, is there a matter?

[b]Only think that I belive is being able to understand the category of the page that I visit. Dont need, I see it on the menu.[/b]

Anyway, please do not swear me :)
And just a request from development team, is it possible to keep old style URL if there will be an update on this?

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Re: Clean URL's

Joseph Blythe — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:57:14 +1200

Hi I'm new here and not trying to create any flame wars, but couldn't you just implement a Intercepting Filter on the front controller (I know this may take some work), then make a filter for the nested url's?

This way you could use it or not and would also allow lots of other cool stuff.

WACT has some good information on such things:

http://www.phpwact.org/pattern/front_controller
http://www.phpwact.org/pattern/intercepting_filter

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Re: Clean URL's

Lucas Costi — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:35:19 +1200

As a new user of silverstripe i though i'd weigh in on this.

I was extremely surprised that there is no functionality for hierarchical URLs. They are very much a standard for websites, blogs, CMSs and web URL naming conventions in general. I won't repeat the practical reasons for them already well explained.

That said, i don't think that the 'normal' end users care, but most IT-oriented people actually do.

Without having to go through and re-do the base code, isn't an easier way of implementing this to actually just use some fancy URL rewriting using Apache's mod_rewrite or something similar that Silverstripe could maintain itself? This would enable the better URLS, but all Silverstripe would have to do is update a .htaccess file?

I am a bit ignorant on the way Silverstripe is coded, so I don't know if this is a viable, if temporary, solution.

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Re: Clean URL's

Liam — Fri, 16 May 2008 12:36:59 +1200

The main benefit would be for a SEO advantage, as well as the minor things listed in this topic. Like duplicate, more meaningful URL sections for that matter.

Having more keywords in the URL would be key, and I don't mean just tacking them on to the page URL.

Really basic idea would be for tutorials.

domain.com/tutorials/photoshop/some-name
domain.com/tutorials/dreamweaver/some-name

and so forth. A structure like this will rank your site much higher when a user searches for "some photoshop tutorial" and not only that, a search engine will better understand your content when grouped like this.

I agree most users won't type things in directly, but the odd ones will. Using my example above, people who are familiar with your site and visit it often, would possibly type a direct URL to access a specific section they're looking for.

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Re: Clean URL's

Bruce Bowden — Fri, 16 May 2008 11:25:24 +1200

My current day job is webmaster for a government department. Consequently, I end up with a lot of end-user phone calls. My feeling is that hierarchical URLs are simply not an issue for 99% of end-users. In fact, we have a lot of people who know nothing about the address line in the browser - give them a URL and they'll type it into google.

I certainly see errors where more knowledgeable people have knocked off the end of a URL only to find that particular directory has no index page. But they seem to be a small minority.

I'd be happy with hierarchical menus with dashes but it implies a more sophisticated user than the current setup requires. Page URL segments will need to be separately entered rather than derived from the page title.

cheers
bruce

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Re: Clean URL's

Sam Minnee — Tue, 13 May 2008 11:39:53 +1200

I've put together a summary of the development issues here, should anyone want to have a go at building this: http://open.silverstripe.com/ticket/2508

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